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CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this

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chellinoolmo

CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Whosoever will, may want to try to create a style of this midi file, called Too-ra-loo-ra-loo-ral, which is an Irish folk tune.

This is a good example of the kind of challenge it can be to create styles from MIDI; when you open the file in Style Works,
it pops up an error message (this is quite common) that says "Due to the structure of the midifile not all parts could be found!".

This means that one or more instruments have not been read properly by the program, and can not be heard; in this case the bass.
The consequence of this is that it becomes very difficult - or even impossible - to find the correct sequences for Variations.
It requires some skills to master this task, and illustrates very well what I am experiencing almost daily.

It should be said that I have made a style of this, which is actually pretty good. With drums. It is not drums originally.

After a while I will post my STS (working file for Style Works), so everyone can see how I have solved the problems.
I have attached the midi file here.
#1 - May 30, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
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Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Three minutes using midi2style...  ;)  ;)  ;)

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/index.htm

NO SPECIAL SETTINGS...

Can be better by experimentation...

Regards

Jørgen
#2 - May 31, 2015, 02:28:01 AM
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chellinoolmo

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Three minutes using midi2style...  ;)  ;)  ;)

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/index.htm

NO SPECIAL SETTINGS...

Can be better by experimentation...

Regards

Jørgen


Not bad, Jørgen! 8)
Mains are pretty good; fills also.
Ending might work.
Intro does not, however - this consists only of a few notes, and does not work as intro.

I have spent about 20-30 minutes on my version, which is quite normal for Style Works. I also had problems with Intro - it started fine, but stopped in the middle of a chord.
To fix this, I moved the markers pretty much (about 1/2 bar). This gave however other problems, because the starting point for Mains (Variations) and Ending thus was slightly wrong.

But by listening through the whole song bar for bar, I found suitable sequences.

NB: I have only had the opportunity to listen to your version via conversion to Korg; Therefore my assessment of your version is not necessarily absolutely correct.
I have converted my Korg version to Tyros1, so you and others can compare if you want.
It is attached here.
#3 - May 31, 2015, 07:45:41 AM
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Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Thanks

I have not had time to experiment.

Yes the intro is not good. It seems it is the melody line, not accompaniment that makes the intro.

The ending, I guess I cutted a measure wrong...

Better fix tomorrow...

Jørgen
#4 - May 31, 2015, 09:15:46 AM

chellinoolmo

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Thanks

I have not had time to experiment.

Yes the intro is not good. It seems it is the melody line, not accompaniment that makes the intro.

The ending, I guess I cutted a measure wrong...

Better fix tomorrow...

Jørgen



You're probably right there ...
Good luck! 8)
#5 - May 31, 2015, 10:39:42 AM
 

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Three minutes using midi2style...  ;)  ;)  ;)

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/index.htm

NO SPECIAL SETTINGS...

Can be better by experimentation...

Regards

Jørgen

Want a challenge Jorgen! Make a midi2style for Mac :angry:
#6 - May 31, 2015, 11:25:47 AM
 
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Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Three minutes using midi2style...  ;)  ;)  ;)

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/index.htm

NO SPECIAL SETTINGS...

Can be better by experimentation...
Sorry Jorgen meant to say Korg not Mac although both would be great :-[

Regards

Jørgen

Want a challenge Jorgen! Make a midi2style for Mac :angry:
#7 - May 31, 2015, 11:28:54 AM
 
Negativity is a disease of the brain. Positivity  is the thought process that leads to success.
JC 2010

chellinoolmo

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Three minutes using midi2style...  ;)  ;)  ;)

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/index.htm

NO SPECIAL SETTINGS...

Can be better by experimentation...
Sorry Jorgen meant to say Korg not Mac although both would be great :-[

Regards

Jørgen

Want a challenge Jorgen! Make a midi2style for Mac :angry:


Is there a particular reason why you want midi2style for Korg?

If you've tried my challenge, I can understand it - but do not give up;
this is normally much easier. ;)
#8 - May 31, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
 

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
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Want a challenge Jorgen! Make a midi2style for Mac :angry:
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midi2style IS for Windows AND for Mac.

Check: http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm#m2s

Regards

Jørgen
#9 - May 31, 2015, 02:53:50 PM

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Three minutes using midi2style...  ;)  ;)  ;)

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/index.htm

NO SPECIAL SETTINGS...

Can be better by experimentation...
Sorry Jorgen meant to say Korg not Mac although both would be great :-[

Regards

Jørgen

Want a challenge Jorgen! Make a midi2style for Mac :angry:


Is there a particular reason why you want midi2style for Korg?

If you've tried my challenge, I can understand it - but do not give up;
this is normally much easier. ;)

Yep I already have midi2style for Yamaha because I had a Yamaha and it works great
#10 - June 01, 2015, 12:36:49 AM
 
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Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
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Want a challenge Jorgen! Make a midi2style for Mac :angry:
(snip)

midi2style IS for Windows AND for Mac.

Check: http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm#m2s

Regards

Jørgen

Yes of course but in my next post I did correct my error because It should have been Korg not Mac
#11 - June 01, 2015, 12:40:14 AM
 
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Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hello

Here is a slightly changed style. Just corrected Intro and Ending...

Hard to create an intro and an ending as there is NO real Intro and NO real Ending in the source file.  ???

Jørgen




#12 - June 01, 2015, 04:31:26 AM
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Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
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Yes of course but in my next post I did correct my error because It should have been Korg not Mac
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Sorry, I did not notice... I was in a hurry yesterday...

Jørgen
#13 - June 01, 2015, 04:32:33 AM

chellinoolmo

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hello

Here is a slightly changed style. Just corrected Intro and Ending...

Hard to create an intro and an ending as there is NO real Intro and NO real Ending in the source file.  ???

Jørgen







Are you sure you uploaded your latest version?
I get the same result as last - only 1 Measurements for intro.

And I have 16 measurments for intro and 9 for ending - and they sound like they should; such as real intro and ending does.

Midi is however something for themselves - the format is entirely dependent on the used equipment. A XG midi for example sound strange on a Korg.
I wonder what kind of format this midi file has, since you do not hear the same thing as me.

20 years ago I converted midi crisscrossing; but I have not taken time to refresh that knowledge, since I have a huge amounts midi available today.
#14 - June 01, 2015, 05:17:57 AM
 

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Oh, you consider the fist 16 measures as the intro... I had not thought of this...

Let me give it another try...

Jørgen
#15 - June 01, 2015, 05:20:48 AM

chellinoolmo

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
Hi

Oh, you consider the fist 16 measures as the intro... I had not thought of this...

Let me give it another try...

Jørgen


Yep. Intro and ending consists almost always of 4, 8, 12, 16 or even 32 measurments.
Similarly consists Main typically of 1-2 measurments (also called bars).

Different keyboards have different maximum for measurments. PA3x can use up to 32 for intro and ending, and 16 for all other sequences.
Tyros can for example use only 1 bar for fills, while PA3x can use 16. This means that PA3x is Tyros completely superior when it comes to create styles from MIDI.
However, I've now consistently use only 1 bar for fills, so my conversions should be able to best serve all keyboards - regardless of brand.
#16 - June 01, 2015, 05:52:21 AM
 

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
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Different keyboards have different maximum for measurments. PA3x can use up to 32 for intro and ending, and 16 for all other sequences.
(snip)

Yes, Yamaha has a 1 measure limit for fills and breaks; but AT LEAST 64 measures for ALL other style parts.
(Have not tested longer parts)...  ;)

Regards
Jørgen
#17 - June 01, 2015, 09:50:37 AM

chellinoolmo

Re: CHALLENGE - try to create a style of this
(snip)
Different keyboards have different maximum for measurments. PA3x can use up to 32 for intro and ending, and 16 for all other sequences.
(snip)

Yes, Yamaha has a 1 measure limit for fills and breaks; but AT LEAST 64 measures for ALL other style parts.
(Have not tested longer parts)...  ;)

Regards
Jørgen


I did not know this, but it explains why I could play some styles like a melody, only using intro on my previous Tyros1.
Certain styles (from midi) has 64 measurments or less. Thank you for updating my knowledge. 8)
#18 - June 01, 2015, 10:06:52 AM
 

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